Marvin Shilmer

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  How do you feel about religion as a whole?

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
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  it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

  just curious, a personal poll if you will.

  what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  When I ponder religion I end up seeing two things: religion and worship.

  Worship is a broad concept that is, as I see it, how a person chooses to live their life.

  Religion is something else altogether. To me religion is business.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

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  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Viviane,

  Your style of communication is why I posed a question to you in the first place. You accuse, you complain, you distort, and worst of all you avoid. I don't understand why anyone does any of these things. When someone has a question of me that is remotely relevant they ask and I answer. That's how it should be.

  As recent as a few minutes ago you said if I wanted to know your position then I should simply ask. So I asked your position of something and you respond by avoiding.

  If someone wants to know my position by asking me a question I don't get to frame the question.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  You would think the president of the United States could invoke some sort of constitutional rules or laws into effect to prevent the Indiana Governor " Dickhead " to not be able to pass such prejudiced laws.

  I think this is the job of the Federal Judiciary and it will probably come to that, and from what I can tell the issue is not central to Indiana or Indiana's Governor. It looks to me like the issue as stake has come about from legislative actions crossing Democratic and Republican parties and over a period of several years.

  Out here in California there has been some jerk off attorney trying to get passed in legislation to " kill gays and lesbians ".

  I heard about that but have not followed the story. Whoever is behind this thing must be a bona fide kook of the first order!!!
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  As I've said, if you want to know my position, simply ask.

  Okay. What is your position on a Miss White USA pageant? Is this a fine thing or should courts assert punitive measures to cause such discrimination based on race to cease?
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Our “free” market system would simply not exist as we know it without the presence of an active government that creates and maintains the rules and conditions that allow it to operate efficiently.

  That's so true. To your list of libertarians, radical right-wing politicians, separatists and religious fanatics I'd add radical left-wing politicians. I think the person who says "Government built that" is just as goofball as the one who says "Private business built that". The reality is both built "that". It's not always pretty, but it take both working on concert to build the things we see around us in a free market commercial system.
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  Patient dies as JW paramedic refuses to administer blood product -- thanks, Religious Freedom Act!

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  (i realize this topic may have already been addressed so i apologize in advance.).

  no, that's not a real headline but i suppose it could be one here in arkansas -- one of several states in the us that has a religious freedom law on their books.. as i understand it, if i, as a jw paramedic, am ordered to deliver a blood product to my patient, i can refuse to do so based on my religious freedom.

  as a logical consequence, a patient could die.. would paramedic be an occupation be that one of jehovah's witnesses simply cannot accept, knowing fully well that you would be in a likely position to administer blood..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  There is absolutely no Watchtower ban on JW health professionals preparing and/or administering medical treatment blood.

  That's 100 percent correct with one exception. Watchtower's blood doctrine forbids JW healthcare providers from administering blood transfusions to JWs.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I never suggested any moral or ethical attributes. You were reading that into what I wrote.

  As I said already, it was your use of broad language to describe something narrower. I only mentioned moral and ethic perspectives to illustrate why I objected to your language toward what I wrote.

  As I said, if you want to know the answer to THAT question, simply ask it. There is no need to ask a different question and attempt to derive my position.

  My reason for asking you the question I did was to test your position for whatever it is. Even now you opt to avoid answering such a simple question, which is telling by itself.
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  Any cyclist participate in critical mass?

  by Protarded in

  1. social
  2. physical

  for those unfamiliar with critical mass, it's a mass bike ride through many major cities on the last friday of each month.

  i was not very familiar with the ride until my hethen, worldly, unjudgemental, friend invited me last night.

  after googling it, i found that it's pretty controversial.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I tried this once. I couldn't stay with it. Way too slow for me, and it felt wrong.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Yes, if it's not illegal, then it's OK to do. You're arguing with yourself, I hope you realize.

  Not necessarily okay, but not illegal. I hope you realize simply saying something is okay to do suggests moral and ethical attributes in addition to legalities. Because something is legal to do does not make it okay morally or ethically. It only makes it legal.

  I've never said I would answer it nor am I obligated in any sense to answer it. It just so happens that the question doesn't make sense concurrent with my complete lack of obligation.

  No one here has an obligation to answer anyone here. We're here voluntarily because we want to engage subjects, and hopefully with others who are honest enough to answer questions asked of them as they would have others answer their questions. When engaged in discussion common courtesy is to answer relevant questions, and in this case you've repeatedly refused to answer a quite simple question, a question that would test the edges of whatever position you hold in relation to discrimination we find in society. At this point my thought is that you don't want to share whatever is your real position in relation to societal discrimination. But my question remains should you want to pursue the subject of discrimination we find in society around us.

  Are there any questions you've asked of me that I've failed to answer? If so please let me know.
  
  
  
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  Patient dies as JW paramedic refuses to administer blood product -- thanks, Religious Freedom Act!

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. social
  2. current

  (i realize this topic may have already been addressed so i apologize in advance.).

  no, that's not a real headline but i suppose it could be one here in arkansas -- one of several states in the us that has a religious freedom law on their books.. as i understand it, if i, as a jw paramedic, am ordered to deliver a blood product to my patient, i can refuse to do so based on my religious freedom.

  as a logical consequence, a patient could die.. would paramedic be an occupation be that one of jehovah's witnesses simply cannot accept, knowing fully well that you would be in a likely position to administer blood..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Would paramedic be an occupation be that one of Jehovah's Witnesses simply cannot accept, knowing fully well that you would be in a likely position to administer blood.

  That's a good question. Probably this is already answered in black-letter-law, but certainly common-law has answered it. There are hundreds if not thousands of JWs working in the healthcare field and those who cannot bring themselves to administer blood transfusion have had to refuse positions where doing so is inevitable precisely because of legalities, not to mention ethically. What I'm saying is that this is not new ground for JWs. Courts, legislators and medical provider centers have been navigating this ground for decades to get to the current standard of care.